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Post by DaveK » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:52 pm


Tis the season to start thinking of Christmas gifts for your favorite firearms enthusiast, or hints to friends and family of stuff that you really want. Thankfully, this is an area where there is a tremendous supply of gear, and while we could spend several nets going over things, we will only have time for one. So, post up your selections for gear, whether new or time tested, and remember that what is old hat to you may be brand new to someone else. Join us for the discussion, but post up some pictures and your stories.

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Post by DaveK » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:58 pm


Regardless of whether you hunt, target practice, compete, or are just getting rid of barn rats, eventually (sooner rather than later) you will need to clean your firearm. And, for those who shoot stainless guns, you are not exempted from this task. There are several significant advantages that will be the result of proper cleaning, including firearm longevity, improved reliability, improved accuracy, and improved function, just to mention a few.

If you have been cleaning firearms for a while, the scent of Hoppe's No. 9 solvent should be very familiar. Hoppe's Number 9 has been around since 1903 and is probably the largest maker of gun care products. There are others that go back many years, but they all had one thing in common - they were toxic and had to be used in well ventilated areas. When used properly however, they are effective.

For a host of reasons, not the least of which are improvements in cleaning technology, there has been a movement toward cleaning solutions that are non-toxic, biodegradable, and non flammable, and it is a movement which is gaining some momentum. For shooters, this means that cleaning can take place indoors,(check the product warnings however), they are less likely to cause skin irritation, and they are odorless. They are also unlikely to damage blued finishes or wood or synthetic stocks, or damage leather holsters. And lastly, many (not all) are non-flammable, and many work considerable quicker than traditional products. .

Since I've mentioned Hoppe's, this would be a good starting point for the discussion of these new cleaning products. Here are several examples of this new breed of cleaners, starting with Hoppe's:

1. Hoppe's Elite (http://www.hoppes.com/hoppes-elite)

The Elite line of cleaning products is extensive and includes just about everything you will need to keep your firearms in top shape. This is what they say:
The Hoppe’s Elite® cleaning line was designed with the active hunter and shooter in mind. A complete departure from our traditional Hoppe’s No. 9 solvent, this high-tech, odorless technology outperforms the standard cleaners and oils on the shelf today. Take it to the next level – the ELITE level.

Hoppe's Copper Terminator

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Quickly dissolves welded copper fouling from bore steel without the use of ammonia. Can be used alone or as a powerful systems approach with Hoppe's Elite Gun Cleaner by removing layers of carbon build up allowing for more rapid copper etching. Does not leave ammonia-type crystals that can attract water causing corrosion and microscopic stress fractures.

Works up to 4 times faster than standard copper removers.
System approach conditions bore for less copper build up.
Ammonia free and odorless.
Safe on bore steel.
Non-toxic, non-flammable and has no shipping restrictions.

2. Blue Wonder (http://shop.bluewonder.us/index.php?p=home)

3. Otis Smart Gun Care (https://otistec.com/gun-cleaning-kits/)

4. Bore Tech (https://www.boretech.com/)

5. Seal 1 (http://www.seal1.net/Seal-1-PRODUCT-PAGE.html)

6. Prolix (https://www.prolixlubricant.com/index.html)

7. M-Pro 7 (http://m-pro7.com/products/)

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Post by DaveK » Mon Nov 05, 2018 1:59 pm


Bullet technology is advancing at an incredible pace. The quality and performance of today's bullets is better than ever, and choices are abundant. Two things seem to be driving these advances - significant interest in long range shooting and non lead requirements imposed by some states and jurisdictions. Advancing technology certainly has also played a major part.

An interesting side note to the new market of high tech and high performance bullets is that it shifts the search for accuracy to the other components of the firearm, like barrels, bedding, triggers, stocks, etc. It also gives the handloader new challenges to develop recipes for high performance. While these new bullets are designed to out perform others, there is only so much improvement one can expect when the barrel is worn out or badly pitted, the trigger is stiff and heavy, etc.

Focusing only on bullets then, I note that there are new and improved projectiles coming out all the time. Keeping track of the market can be time consuming, but productive. Despite the numerous players, there are several companies that have established solid reputations, and are worth mentioning. There are most certainly others, and we hope that you will let us know what you have discovered. One of the things I have discovered is that research pays off. So does practice. Not every high performance bullet will perform well in your rifle. Assuming that your firearm is otherwise in good shape, there may be some testing of different bullets or factory ammo to arrive at what is best for you.

Cutting Edge Bullets - https://cuttingedgebullets.com/

CE's bullets are about as precise as humanly possible, with the aid of computer guided machines. Their product line is entirely copper and suitable for both long range target shooting and hunting. They are packaged individually to protect each bullet. To look at them, brings to mind a work of art. If one has an objective of consistency, Cutting Edge bullets is at the top of the heap (along with a few others.) Incidentally, their line of bullets should be of interest to those who are now required to use non lead ammunition, (and they are certified by the State of California.)
Our Manufacturing Process

CNC Swiss Style Automatic Lathes are second to none when it comes to machining small precision parts.

They are typically used in machining complex parts in a single operation verses multiple operations using other methods. This is accomplished by the machines being equipped with live tools (meaning tools that rotate) for milling, drilling, tapping, reaming, etc. for machining done crosswise through a part. A hex, square, or any other shape can be cut on a part with these tools as well. Our machines are equipped with a pick-off spindle, or sub-spindle, so after a part is machined on the front spindle, the part can be grabbed with the sub spindle and cut off to prevent the part from falling and getting damaged. Once the part is in the sub spindle there are separate tools that can be used to machine the part on its backside which also prevents having to perform another operation on another machine. This is how the shape is cut into the rear of our bullets.

Once the part is machined complete, the part is ejected into a rubber lined part chute and onto a conveyor. The part then travels on the conveyor to the outside of the machine.
Here are a couple of pictures of rifle and handgun bullets:

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Berger Bullets, http://www.bergerbullets.com/

Berger bullets have a well earned reputation for precision, which in their case has seen constant improvements over the years. Again, if consistency is your goal, Berger is at the top of the heap (along with a few others). Their bullets are all of a jacketed lead core design and are suitable for hunting, long range shooting and competition. They sell both loaded ammo and bullets.

Here is what they say:

All tooling is precision made using dimensional tolerances in the .00005. Using precision-made tooling is an absolute requirement. The companies who make our tooling are specifically in the precision tooling business. We meet with them regularly to communicate our tooling needs and special projects. Those who understand precision tool making know that these things are possible but not without deliberate effort and experience.

J4 Precision Jackets are the only bullet jackets in the world known for less than .0003 total wall thickness variation on every size and lot. This has been true for decades and is provable by checking any lot. There are those who claim that they can meet this tolerance and we know that they can every once in a while, but to do this with every single lot is something that only J4 has perfected. Anyone who wants to can order jackets and check them yourself. This is an absolutely critical aspect of precision bullet performance and we are the only bullet company with this capability.
A couple of pics:

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Lehigh Defense - https://www.lehighdefense.com/

Lehigh Defense offers an impressive line of bullets and loaded ammo for self defense, long range target shooting, and hunting. A great deal of their line is lead free and certified by the state of California for use in hunting. The Lehigh technology in making their bullets is quite unique, and a visit to their website will be very informative. Several versions of Lehigh's bullets are suitable for hunting, and here is what they say about one such bullet.

Controlled Chaos Technology

Controlled Chaos The development of this technology was the result of an animal control agency's request for a no lead .243 bullet that would provide extensive wound trauma with little minimal pass through energy. Basically the idea was to burst the bullet into numerous particles at a predetermined depth creating many wounds and a large temporary cavity with shot placement at or near the central nervous system. The agency had tried copper matrix frangible rounds and found the penetration depth and particle size were less than what was require for proper terminal performance.

The bullet is designed to penetrate to a specific depth and to fracture as the internal hydraulic pressure exceeds the hoop strength of the nose design. At the time of fracture, a massive energy spike is released as the particles break away and radiate outward from the initial trajectory path.
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Barnes Bullets - http://www.barnesbullets.com/

Barnes has perhaps the largest presence in the non lead bullet market. They have been making all copper bullets for more than 30 years. In many ways, Barnes has been a pioneer and leader in the non-lead projectile market. Today their lineup of these bullets is comprehensive and their performance is well established. One of the outstanding features of the Barnes X bullets is their fantastic weight retention. When I could find the fired bullet, the weight consistently exceeded 95%. The mushrooms were nearly textbook perfect.
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Nosler Partition - https://www.nosler.com/partition-bullet/

No discussion of premium bullets would be complete without mentioning the Nosler Partition. For many decades, this bullet was the undisputed king of premium bullets, and for many, even today, it remains so. With increasing technology, the position at the top of the heap of bullet manufacturers is becoming a crowded field. Nosler is still a contender, and for many good reasons.

Here is what they say about the partition bullet (from their website.) Note: the numbers on the picture corrrespond to the numbered paragragh below.

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1 Nosler Engineering
Nosler’s special lead-alloy, dual-core provides superior mushrooming characteristics at virtually all impact velocities.

2 Fully Tapered Copper-Alloy Jacket
Ruptures instantly at the thin jacket mouth, yet the gradual thickening along the bullet’s axis controls expansion and curls the jacket uniformly outward at high and low velocities.

3 Nosler’s Integral Partition
Supports the expanded mushroom and retains the rear lead-alloy core. The enclosed rear core retains more than two-thirds of the original bullet weight for deep penetration.

4 Dual-Core Construction
Every Partition® bullet in the Nosler® line delivers optimum length, weight and ogive design for maximum in-flight and terminal performance.

5 Special Crimp Locks
Adds strength to resist deformation under the pressure of heavy magnums.

Loaded Ammunition

For all you shooters who do not handload, you are not to be left out of this technology. Several companies have stepped up and are making ammo with premium bullets.

1. Winchester Deer Season Copper - https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunit ... per-Impact

2. Sig Sauer Elite Hiunting Ammunition - https://www.sigsauer.com/store/308win-1 ... ng-ht.html

3. Remington (loaded with Barnes X Bullets)- https://www.remington.com/ammunition/ce ... erformance

4. Cutting Edge Loaded Ammunition (handgun only) - https://cuttingedgebullets.com/shop/cut ... ammunition

5. Leehigh Defense loaded Ammunition (both rifle and handgun) - https://www.lehighdefense.com/collections/ammo

6. Weatherby Loaded Ammunition (with Barnes X- Bullets) - http://www.weatherby.com/300-wby-mag.html

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Re: OAUSA Net - November 8, 2018 - Shooting and Firearms Gear


Post by DaveK » Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:01 pm


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Post by KK6DYO » Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:45 pm


Since California banned open carry and a concealed carry permit is virtually impossible to obtain in most areas, holsters are of limited usefulness except for some camping situations, shooting classes, and hunting.

Leather v. Kydex

Diamond D Custom Leather

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Cleveland Kydex makes holsters / sheaths for handguns, axes, knives, and flashlights

Examples of styles able to accomodate a light
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Wide variety of colors and prints
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Post by Jeff-OAUSA » Thu Nov 08, 2018 4:10 pm

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Post by kevinhum55 » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:04 pm

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Shooting for Long Range and the first important things that come to mind in no specific order.

The very best source I can recommend to help you learn and understand long range shooting is on YouTube.
Rex Tibor is a very humble, honest and solid human being that has made an amazing series of videos that you will understand. I have met him in person and taken his 2 day course at the Bass Pro Shop in Rancho Cucamonga.
The series is called Sniper 101 by Tiborasaurus Rex.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... vDCIcEPxUn

I started watching Rex's videos at 16k subs and now he has over 155k subs.

1. What is considered long range? What is considered extreme long range? For Target. My explanation.
a. Long Range is the reaching the end of the supersonic speed of your given round. 1130fps
b. Extreme long Range would be to extend that cartridge out through the transonic zone. Transition from supersonic to subsonic. Not easy to be accurate.
ex. Depending on the bullet... Long Range for a .223 Rem is 600-1000 yards while Long Range for a 7mm Rem Mag is 1200-1600 yards.

This is a video of me shooting Extreme Long Range... a .223 Rem at 1670 yards.

2. Scopes
a. Please choose the correct scope for your rifle application. Long Range or up close.
b. MILS or MOA. What language are you and your buddies using. You need to be able to communicate with your spotter quickly without calculations. I prefer MILS.
c. Important!! Be sure your turrets match your reticle. Use your reticle to spot your own shots or your buddies. Having a matching reticle
will allow you make or call out a quick shot correction that will be accurate. Yes there are scopes out there with mil reticles and moa turrets for whatever reason.
d. Pay once cry once. Find a scope maker with a unconditional lifetime warranty like Vortex or Steiner. Low Cost? Read reviews on reliable turret tracking if you want a low cost scope. SWFA is a great low cost example. I shot a mile with a $300 SWFA scope.

3. Rifle Deployment
Practice like you play. Rifle harmonics will change when shooting off a bag, bipod or lead sled. The rifle will recoil differently with each.
I prefer to use bags because this is similar to shooting off your pack in the field. A rear bag is great tool to complete the setup for the best control of your crosshairs.
If you zero on a led sled and hunt off a bag or bipod, your zero will shift. POI down range will be different.
Lead Sleds are great for shooting a high powered rifles and saving your shoulder.

4. Ballistic Calculator
a. I prefer and app called Applied Ballistics. It was designed by the ballistician from Berger Bullets named Brian Litz. He is also a very accomplished extreme long range shooter with a few published books. I have since bought a Kestrel with Applied Ballistics installed.

5. Ballistics
a. This is where you can really nerd out. Watch the Sniper 101 series.

Here is a couple videos I made about reloading.

Another Shooting Video I was involved in. *Language- one or two fboms*

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Post by JackM-KK6WXQ » Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:05 pm

Check in please...

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